The Bledsoe Show

Bonus: Bledsoe and Mark England Interviewed on “Wellness Force Radio”

In this special bonus episode, Mark England and I got interviewed by Josh Trent – the host of Wellness Force Radio. We discover the connections between our emotions and healthy habits to live our best life and enjoy the process. Enjoy!

In this special bonus episode, Mark England and I got interviewed by Josh Trent – the host of Wellness Force Radio. We discover the connections between our emotions and healthy habits to live our best life and enjoy the process. Enjoy!

Table Of Contents

Meeting Josh & Mark in Encinitas

Meeting Josh & Mark in Encinitas Wellness Force Radio
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Josh Trent: Yeah, it does sound kind of funny. But when we connected, it's funny like meeting you in person in Encinitas, totally different than on the phone. Have you guys ever experienced this? You talk to somebody on the phone and you meet them in person, it's like whoa.

Mark: I've done that, yeah.

Josh Trent: Complete polar opposites. It's like you struck me on the phone is like someone who had like lots of energy and then when I met you in person I don't know if you just done like a combo ceremony or something, but you were very grounded. It was almost like you were almost like a teaching mode of some sort. Remember when I met you at the store?

Mark: 100%.

Josh Trent: What were you going through that day?

Mark: That's how I roll, man. I like a slow pace, a slow smooth pace. The beard had something to do with it. I grow that thing in, and I get a little more feral, which I like.

Josh Trent: Okay. And you have a big kickboxing background.

Mark: I've done some kickboxing.

Josh Trent: You've worked on your inner caveman for quite some time.

Mark: I have, man. I look at dogs, and the little dogs that you see that the little yappy dogs that shake a lot, they're very nervous. Those things used to be wolves. When I put two and two together that humanity is basically in a process of continually domesticating themselves, I was like man, I got to get a little more wild. That was about 15 years ago, and it works. I feel better.

Josh Trent: And the roots run deep. You're in Thailand for how many decades? Almost 10 years?

Mark's Experience Living In Thailand

Mark's Experience Living In Thailand
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Josh Trent: Well, this is fascinating to me because travel builds so much character, it builds so much heart to go around the world. What have you learned the most by living in Thailand?

Mark: Thailand broke me, and I needed that. So I went over there for kickboxing, and shortly after I got there, I found myself on the operating table getting my second knee surgery. So the game changed. The whole thing stopped. And I would have been a very small fish in a very big pond anyway because that is the mecca of Thai boxing, obviously. I'm at Bangkok and then I'm sidelined, and watching my dream happen for other people while I'm all wrecked. And I'm so glad that that happened because I was in a very self-serving mode.

Thailand broke me, and I needed that – Mark England

Mark: The most important thing for me, number one was competition and fighting. I was a good friend and everything, but I gave very little back to the community. I didn't even think about it. I needed a massive change of environment. It is exactly on the other side of the globe of Richmond, Virginia from where I'm from. Bangkok is on the very opposite side of the Earth.

Mark: And I went over there smashed myself up and I'm like I'm not going home. I'm not going back to that life not being able to participate because that's what everybody knew me as. And I was like, “Okay, well I'm going to stay here and suffer until I figure things out.” And I will always be grateful to Thailand, eternally grateful. And I'll always go back. It's a decent trip to get over there, man.

How Procabulary Started In Thailand

Josh Trent: So did you come to Procabulary fruition out there? is that where it flourishes? Is that where the seed was planted?

Mark: Yes.

Josh Trent: And you had been instructing for how long out there by the time Procabulary came up?

Mark: Eight years.

Josh Trent: Eight years?

Mark: Yeah. I lived in Bangkok for five years. I was a sports teacher at an International School. Great job, man. I just loved, loved the kids. I played dodgeball. I played dodgeball, I took kids swimming, just super fun. Taught them Frisbee. We do one whole quarter just Frisbees. That's it. I take 30 kids and a stack of Frisbees out to the field and just pitch them. It was also on an American calendar, and so I had four months paid vacation every year. And an enlightened poop changed my whole life.

Josh Trent: An enlightened poop?

Mark: An enlightened doo-doo, it changed-

Josh Trent: Does Mike know this story

Mark: Maybe.

Mike: I've never heard this.

Mark: You've never heard this. Okay. So I'm all up fucked up man. I'm in a body that is hurting or I am emotionally… I lost the dexterity in my face due to the story I was telling myself about myself and what happened to me. I had all the people to blame and just victimhood descended. My face, I could laugh for a whole year. I couldn't get my face in position to-

Mark: And if someone stays bitter for… I wasn't even bitter, dude, I was seething. I was seething. Martial arts was my only avenue of expression that really scratched the itch, and when that was gone man, I reverted back to all my old bad habits plus some.

The a-ha moment

Mark: So anyway, I'm sitting at the pool with a high school and middle school, a sports teacher, and he hands me this book. He goes, “You should check this out.” It's called The Tao of Health, Sex, and Longevity by Daniel Reid. It's about how the Tao was going about cultivating health.

Mark: It's a truly enlightened poop. I walked out of the… I was immediately sold, walked right out of the bathroom went over the dude, and I was like, “I'm taking this book and I'm reading.” He goes better than that, go talk to our vice principal because there's a fasting resort on the island of Koh Samui. You went to Koh Phangan.

Mark: So he goes there's a fasting resort that's built… The owner actually knows Daniel Reid and the fasting protocol is built off of this book. I said, “Sign me up. I can start here. I can do something.” We're talking later, and he's opening about taking action. Big picture, what he sees in the fitness industry. I needed a way to start to work on myself. It didn't matter what it was. I could have started anywhere, I just had no point to begin. This was it. And so I quadrupled down on doing these detoxes. And so I would go down when I had vacations and I'd do seven-day intestinal tract cleansing programs.

Mark: And at the time the spa was hot. It was hopping. 50 people from all around the world that are weird like you in a similar way, they want something enough to where there will pay to not eat, and stick five gallons of coffee water up their ass twice a day and really clean everything out, man.

A mecca of practitioners

Mark: It was a mecca of practitioners and people coming in that studied different things. So I had numerous, numerous paradigm shattering conversations until I was like, “Okay. I'm going to go get trained in this one style of story work. I went to an emotional detox seminar, my fourth trip down there. Me and my dumb ass, I snickered at it. I was like, “Hey, man. There's an emotional detox seminar tonight. I was like, “Emotional detox?” He goes, “Dude, you need to go.” And he said it in a way that he spelled me.

Josh Trent: And is this like a mentor of yours or a friend?

Mark: What ended up happening is I went to this emotional detox seminar and the guy that was facilitating it was a 70-year-old British guy and he ended up being my mentor, his work.

Mark: Dude, Barry Musgrave, I talk about him a lot when it's time to talk about this part of the story. He was known as Barry the Builder in Totnes, in England. And one of his son's best friends committed suicide. He had a very successful building business. And he looked at that the carnage that it caused and he goes, “There has to be a better way.” He sold his business and traveled around the world studying the best modalities of basically liberating people from the stories of themselves.

Mark: And he was giving a seminar on emotional freedom technique. It was the tapping, and I watched him take a girl through a story that she was all messed up about. Told the story at the first rendition, angry and tears. Second rendition, changed some words around, sad, no tears. Third rendition, took out the end, switch something in the front.

It's like NLP

Josh Trent: That almost sounds in a way like NLP.

Mike: It's from NLP. So the founder, Gary Craig, he studied NLP. He's a master NLP practitioner and taught field therapy which is where he got the tapping, and he took some of the language modalities from NLP, and the tapping, and combined it to create EFT. And then he gave it away, dude. In that seminar, I watched him do this work with this person and then he was like, “Okay, pair up and work with the person next to you.”

Mike: And then it came time for me to tell her. I was like, “Nope. I'm not saying anything to anyone.” I got up and I just rolled, man. But what I did do, I took action. I went to an internet cafe and I downloaded the 80-page manual on how to do that show on yourself and I went to work.

Josh Trent: And what year is this exactly?

Mark: This is 2003.

Josh Trent: Yeah, 2003.

Josh Trent: Is that what attracted Mike to you?

Mark: No.

Josh Trent: That's a different story. We'll get there in a minute.

Mark: Yup. So I go do a training with Gary Craig, and I move down to that same spa and worked there, and that's where I cut my teeth doing a tremendous amount of sessions, one-on-one. I lived in a hut on the beach, on an island, in the Gulf of Thailand, never wore shoes. I said if I'm in shoes something bad has happened. And then, I was also giving presentations. I knew I needed to leave. I knew, I knew because I came to what in quantum mechanics is called a choice point. I'm sitting in my hammock.

Mike's Journey To Fitness

Josh Trent: Yeah. When was your first foray to the barbell?

Mike: I was 15. I was prepping for it before I could touch it. I remember I wanted to start lifting weights when I was 13, but the gym that my parents were members at you couldn't go in the weight room until you were 15. So they said you have to wait until you're 15. So on my 15th birthday, I got my learner's permit to drive and then I went and got my gym membership, and before that I spent two years reading about training and nutrition, and I was doing calisthenics and stuff at my house, but on my 15th birthday I was in the gym, and I loved it.

Josh Trent: Yeah, this is the shared energy of business and mindset, and fitness that you guys have. You started kickboxing when?

Mark: 2000.

Josh Trent: 2000. So there's 40 years now between the two of you.

Mark: Between '96.

Josh Trent: 40-plus years between the two of you, this love, this passion for the physical, Enlifted is a fascinating concept, man. Tell people that don't know anything about Enlifted, what it is?

Mike: Well, it started off as Mark and I were hanging out and..

Mark: We wanted to throw a festival.

Josh Trent: An Enlifted festival?

Mike: Just a festival.

Mike: So we we were hanging out and we started hanging out socially. It was over there's about a year of hanging out, no intention of wanting to do anything with each other other than be friends. So we were hanging out at least once a month, so regularly, and then about a year into the relationship we go, "Oh, I see where we could we could put up together a little workshop." Well, we got talking about doing festivals and there's workshops at festivals. And so well, let's put together a little workshop. We'll do it at my house. We'll put together a little invite. We'll charge people some money.

Flow Stated

Mike: We called it flow stated, that was the first name. And we had fun, we had fun doing it. There's a little bit of movement. He has his skill sets, I have my skill sets. We have understandings of each other's skill sets enough.

Mark: We had a chalkboard with a bunch of crazy man's math on it. This is a configuration.

Mike: Oh, man. I need to look all that up because that'll be funny now.

Mark: We have pictures. The pictures exists.

Mike: I have it on my phone. It's been that about a year and a half now, so where it started to where it is now, that's actually interesting.

Josh Trent: So, dudes, the seed for Enlifted was planted less than two years ago

Mike: It was a year and a half ago.

Josh Trent: Year and a half ago.

Josh Trent: What actually is it? What is Enlifted?

Mark: It's a cognitive fitness training company.

Josh Trent: And what does that mean cognitive fitness?

Mike: So everyone has intellectual and emotional demands on their life, right? You go throughout the day and your mind is creating all these stories throughout the day, and maybe you do something that causes an emotional response. I mean, most likely we're having emotional responses constantly throughout-

Mike: So what ends up happening is we go throughout the day and we're having emotional responses, and a lot of them we don't like. So we want to avoid them. So then we create these stories of avoidance and then they pile on top of more stories. The next thing you know we're having shitty days, and our attention-

Mark: Shitty weeks, shitty months.

Mark: It's our identity. Once our identity gets locked in and shitty, now we've got something to contend with. We have a real gorilla in the room.

The Leading Learner

Mike: There's a new era. So there's a new era of teacher coming in. The old teacher will not survive.

Mike: He calls it the leading learner.

Josh Trent: The leading learner?

Mike: Yeah. And so the leading learner wasn't really possible in the past, in the same way it is now. So what we get to do is because we have social media and we have constant access to information, so people get to watch my day to day, right? You're a leading learner too. We're podcasting, right? So they get to tune in to your conversation for an hour, two hours, three hours a week. They're following you on Instagram. And so they're learning because you're learning. So you're leading the learning process. And so you're a student, right? And so the best teachers are students. I mean, if you want to look at all this philosophical shit, every great teacher considers himself a student.

Mike: I have a friend, Zach Avinash. One of his quotes is always a white belt. And I've heard of martial artists wanting to be buried in their white belts that were… They were black belts. And so what we're witnessing now in the 21st century is we get to be leading learners which makes my job so much easier. I don't have to know it all. All I got to do is be curious.

Josh Trent: It relieves such a pressure valve which then without that pressure you can be so much more powerfully creative because you don't have to seem perfect that you're on the mountaintop.

How Mike & Mark Wear Their Emotions

Josh Trent: And both of you talk from your heart space all the time. Would you consider yourself a man that wears your heart on your sleeve?

Mark: No.

Josh Trent: That's honest. I see there's flowers on your sleeve, not heart.

Mark: I do have some flowers on my sleeve.

Josh Trent: How do you wear your emotions different than Mike? What's the differentiator between you two? There's a blend there that works.

Mark: That's a good question. How do I do it differently? I hold back more than Mike does. It's in my nature, and I appreciate a stoic approach. Mike he's real-time. There are pros and cons to both. And I watch him, I learn from him. He's more emotionally fluid than I am.

Josh Trent: What does he learn most from you?

Mike: I think what's really cool about our friendship right now up to this point is I think we've learned both from each other a lot, about from each other strengths. So I've seen Mark loosen up over the past few years and be more expressive, more quickly. And then for me I've learned to watch what I say before it comes out. And so being being around Mark has caused me to really slow down my speech, really slow down and consider the words I said before they come out of my mouth. I remember growing up and hearing that advice is watch what comes out of your mouth or don't…

Josh Trent: Think before you speak.

Thinking before your speak

Mike: That's a common one, which I actually I don't like that. So I think that's bad advice. What is a better way of saying it is say what you mean. So what ends up happening is there's… Thinking before you speak is different than thoughtless speech. And so when I'm speaking from the heart which is where I like to speak from is the heart and the body have no words. The heart and the body speak with feeling. And then you have this mind that needs to translate the feeling into a message that is going to land for somebody else. This is the key to communication really, and most people suck at it. And I am always trying to get better at it. And so…

Mike: If you speak from the mind only then the mind is there as a protector and generates mostly fear. And so people who speak from mind only are going to have a really hard challenging life, and it's going to feel very unsatisfying.

Josh Trent: You have a large audience though because a lot of those minds are set up for fear as well.

Mike: Yeah. I mean, but who wants to be a part of that crowd.

Josh Trent: Not me, baby.

Mike: So the challenge is like, okay, how do I translate both my heart and body are saying? My body is my intuition, my heart is my drive. It's my intention. It's where I'm going. And it creates my vision, but it's created from a feeling. And so what I get to do now is my job is to say how do I link my body, my heart, and my mind in a way that is going to land for you in way that makes sense?

Josh Trent: The architect, the conflict. This is what I dig about Procabulary. I'm 36% into the course by the way

Mark: My man.

Josh Trent: This is an amazing program you've created. And I can see why the blend of fitness and mindset, and language is so powerful. I've been triggered really hard lately by people's speech when someone says, "I should go there." That word, should that specific word is like a dagger. It like hurts me when I hear people say it lately. Why do you think that triggers me and that's obviously the conflict language, correct?

Mike: I want to speak up about it real quick. I think for you, there's an opportunity to be… When you get all the way through the course this will help, but I think given an opportunity, instantly translate other people.

Life Is Hard and Money Doesn't Grow In Trees

Life Is Hard and Money Doesn't Grow In Trees
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Josh Trent: Money doesn't grow in trees.

Mark: Money doesn't grow on trees. You can't trust anybody. I then go out into the world with that filter in place, I'm literally for the same reason that I started seeing 1985 Ford F-150s all over the place, so the reticular activating system it locates things, it locates what we're looking for. Whatever we deem important it finds more of it. And whatever we focus on, it thinks that that's the thing to find more of. And while it's finding more of that that one thing, it's editing out the other things. I didn't see any blue vans, no white [inaudible 00:56:40] mobiles, nothing, just those trucks. So you can't trust anybody. You can't get ahead these days. You hear that 20, 30 times as a kid.

Mike: Life is hard.

Mark: Life is hard. Life is hard. And the person saying it who is probably much bigger in stature than you, and they're they're emotional potentially when they say it that magnetizes that concept, that idea. It goes in and it starts to do what it's already doing for that person.

Josh Trent: I'm pretty sure that I just got a download that this is a hard drive reprogram because the files are stored from childhood. Like you even talked about right really early. So Procabulary in these systems are going in there and rewiring literally almost like you're pulling chips in and out like Data did in Star Trek, taking out chips and putting in new ones. This is not just language, it's a reprogramming of the synapses, and now they actually work.

Breathing as part of Enlifted

Josh Trent: It goes deep. And what else goes deep is breathing.

Mike: You can start at the surface, and then you can go as deep as you want.

Josh Trent: Including with your breath. We talk a whole. Breath is a huge component of this conversation of Enlifted. So when people use conflict language, it's called conflict language for a reason because it creates conflict. Whether I'm blaming someone there's your projections, or I've got the worst case scenario going on, "I don't want this to happen. Let me stare at that 20, 30 times throughout the day." That'll suffice. And then I'm in erring about the things that I possibly could do one day if only such-and-such would happen. There's the soft talk.

Josh Trent: I've got a Molotov cocktail of highly inflammatory language that puts me in a sympathetic nervous system response, a stress response. And guess what the fuck happens? My breathing gets trapped in my chest. And my shoulders are tight. And my jaw is tight. And my body doesn't move very well. And guess what else is all locked up? My butt hole, my pucker. I'm puckered up, a tight ass. When someone's breathing mechanics are messed up and they enter into an athletic endeavor, what's going to happen, Mike Bledsoe?

Mike: Tunnel vision. We see this… I was introduced to tunnel vision specifically in the military. You start getting into… It's really popular there. You get into a firefight and can't hear anything and all you can see is what's in front of you, or the immediate threat and it's really easy to get flanked when you're having that experience. It happens in sports competitions.

Tunnel vision

Mike: Stress gets really high, breath gets short, cortisol goes up, tunnel vision. You can only see the threat. You can only see the thing that is that and you get closed off everything else, get closed off to other possibilities.

Mike: So when it comes to story, we get attached to that story, we get tunnel vision on that story, and it's the only thing we can see. We've all run into it. We have a friend who is freaking out about a thing, and we go, "Hey, it's not that big of a deal. What about this, this, and this?" "No, no, no." They can't even hear you. We've also witnessed that, but we all do it to some degree, right? So we get so focused in on the story, how many countless times in my entrepreneurial career, I end up locked in an office somewhere trying to solve a problem, that if I just did some breath work, went for a walk outside talked to a few people I'd realize that the thing I was focused on was never going to solve the issue in the first place.

Josh Trent: Why don't we get distracted on these things that don't matter then? What actually is that?

Mike: It's the tunnel vision. It's getting attached to the story because the story is not true, it's an opinion most the time.

Mark: It was a girl that stood up in the workshop, did yesterday and she read off, "I'll never make it. I'm not lovable. People don't really respect me." And then seven other statements. We talked her down from that emotional ledge and then pointed out the fact that those aren't fucking facts, that those are just opinions

Being unaware of what they're saying

Mark: People have very little awareness of how they know what they're saying, they have very little awareness, education about how the words are interacting with them, the mechanism of story. We talked about that a lot. And we've inherited a language with some glitches, bro. The conflict language. People people take it in, or it goes into them and we inherit it. Language is an inheritance. We inherit it from our parents and from their parents, and along with the the magnitude of emotions and feelings they've created, and it gets passed down like this emotional wave, I see it like that in my mind and then we get we inherit the storytelling mechanism too, and the tones and inflections. And you hear that and say, "Oh, you sound just like your mother."

Mark: Well, actually you know what, you do. And then someone locks themselves up, and they get into comparison, hell, and I'm not good enough story. And then they go in the gym. And they hurt themselves. I'm sitting here today, because I hurt myself. Nobody hurt me. I fueled my athletics career with fear.

Josh Trent: Based on the thought processing in the improper conflict language that came way before the gym.

Mark: Yeah. Something is wrong with me, and I'm not good enough, and I'm going to go beat some people's asses to prove that I am.

Josh Trent: This is why people push so hard in the gym I never thought about the connection to thought process and language how that transfers to training. I've never made that connection.

Mark: Rest days freak people out. They have a cheap meal and they want to immediately go run a half marathon to burn the damn thing off. And 17 other ways of piling shit on top of shit, on top of shit.

Mike: It's countless.

The "Pro" in Procabulary

Mark: The pro in Procabulary is not for professional, it's for process. Process vocabulary. Vocabulary puts people in process. It gets them going, it gets them breathing, it gets them moving. Different thinking, different [inaudible 01:05:28]. Stuff like that. That's a big deal because you can do this. I could have done that for 30 years and I also recognized that about a year, and I'm like wait a minute. If I do this for another three decades then I didn't lose, I beat myself. What a waste. What a waste. I was like there's got to be something better, then the book shows up. Doo-doo time, heavenly doo-doo and then I'm off to the races.

Josh Trent: The enlightened poop changed everything.

Mark: The enlightened poop.

Josh Trent: You know what's fascinating too is I was reading on your site and in your coursework, there's this concept of… And Mike even brought it up to me when I was triggered by the should. It's practicing kindness as you go through your Procabulary training. The kindness practice goes against the angry dog that you're talking. Can you dive into that a little bit because the kindness is a skillset of its own being kind to oneself in the learning process.

Mark: Developing the ability to be kind. I did not have the ability to be kind. I did not have the ability to be kind to myself first and foremost, and 90% of the time when I was kind to other people I was faking.

Josh Trent: You were faking being kind?

Mark: Oh, yeah. I did have my moments. I've been a cold motherfucker most of my life and I'm coming out of that. It's a process. And I'm just like the way that I normally speak.

Being kind with yourself

Josh Trent: Isn't everyday a fucking process?

Mark: It's a process.

Mike: I want to point something out which is being kind to yourself allows you to learn much faster.

Mark: Thank you. It's got a stigma around it.

Mike: Forget any hippie dippie like I'm going to be kind and shit. If you're kind yourself you can learn faster. It's a trick to be sharper, smarter. I can be compassionate and kind. I recognized this when I trained jujitsu. As I remember one of my coaches, he's a black belt from Brazil.

Mike: He goes, "Hey, man. You want to know what I can tell that guy is going to be really good and I can tell that guy it's going to leave." You see what the difference was? It's like that guy is laughing every time he gets choked, every time he gets arm barred. He's enjoying the process of learning because he was being kind to himself he didn't go I just up I just got caught in an arm barred. He's enjoying the process of learning because he was being kind to himself. He didn't go, "Fuck, fuck. I just fucked up. I just got caught in an arm bar."

Mike: No, he's like… He's laughing at himself for being kind to himself. He's inside the process. I remember that was very early in my jujitsu career and he points that out and I go, "Cool." Because there was a reason he was telling me that because I wasn't laughing. I wasn't the worst. I wasn't the worst about beating myself up, about making mistakes on the mat, but I could have been a lot better. And I started getting a lot better. I put a lot of attention into making it playful. I mean, that's another thing. People go, "How can this guy pick up this skill so fast? He looks like he's just having a good time." It's the good time that's making him good at picking up the skill faster, it's not the other way around. People mistake results in byproducts constantly.

Accessing the joy to learn faster

Josh Trent: What about Enlifted that allows people to access that joy point where they can learn faster.

Mark: It helps them down regulate. When I'm up regulated… Look this one up, amygdala hijack. When I'm up regulated, and stressed, and mad because I got arm barred or whatever, I didn't hit those the lifts I was looking for, I get that tunnel vision and it's very hard, damn near impossible for better information also called learning to come in. You've seen this, people drive, and they're late, and they're stressed out. They have to turn the radio down because they can't even hear themselves think. Sometimes they're up over the the steering wheel like this. They're top-heavy. The breath is trapped up here.

Mark: We get people breathing. We start the conversation with words. And through that process, we've got breath practices coming and movement practices coming, start it with the words and translating coming out of a thought and spoken word habit that creates a lot of conflict and stress into one that's… So conflict language to architect language, the breath begins to descend down into the abdomen. And when that happens, people become much better learners, because they're listening, because they're open. They have a mental real estate available to unlearn what they've learned.

Mark: The definition of unlearn is to undo the effect of. And whether it's a story or a new lift or you want to be better at relationships, get that breathing working for you, man. Most people's breathing works against them. It's the same with people's language. People's language works against them. We help people get their language to work for them because when someone's language is working against them, I know it, I lived it, everything's an uphill battle, man. I got to push this rock up that hill as opposed to other ways.

What becomes a belief

Josh Trent: So at the foundation is the breath then right above that is the language. But don't those two things all stem into like an imprinting of belief. Isn't belief at the bottom of it all, what someone actually believes? How much belief processing work do you guys go through?

Mike: What are beliefs made of?

Josh Trent: Well, beliefs are just information. Evidence that's been collected.

Mike: If you have that belief, what's that belief made of?

Josh Trent: Whatever my imagination says so.

Mike: It's the words. The belief has a phrase. So of course we work with that

Josh Trent: It's everything.

Mike: It's everything.

Josh Trent: It's the base of it all.

Mike: Yeah, I mean thinking about identity I am this, I am that, I am tired. People think I am sick, I am the…

Mark: I'm healthy. I mean, it goes both ways. Daniel Coyle in his book, Talent Code, they track music students in middle school. And so they had them identify themself as a musician, as someone who's just taking a class or someone who will practice for two to three years all throughout middle school. The people that identified themselves as musicians could practice the least and they got the better of the fastest simply because they identified themselves as such.My life changed for me the day that I identified myself as a martial artist. I walked in the gym different, and we're all doing this for better and for worse. Most of the time it's a mixed bag. So what is what it is. Let's let's tip the scales in our favor.

How Do You Identify Yourself and Why It Matters

Josh Trent: Yeah, I identify myself as a trusting authentic inspiring leader. How do you identify yourself?

Mike: I'm a world-class CEO. So I do want to touch on this because this is something I've been thinking about. I don't think I've talked to Mark about this is we have actions that come from thoughts and thoughts come from… I run to the filter of beliefs, but beliefs are run through the filter of identity. And so there's layers to this. And so I think the deepest work is the identity work. We can play around… Most people play in the realm of action. Just do the thing.

Josh Trent: Which is healthy in some way.

Mark: It's better than not doing it.

Mike: It's better than not doing it.

Josh Trent: Intelligent action, inspired action.

Mike: I would say this is a lot of people… We'll do this with fitness. All right, I've got my workout plan so I'm going to take action by I'm going to do the workout and I'm going to eat the way I'm supposed to. But if you don't have solid thinking and beliefs behind your why in that whole situation, you're going to end up hitting failure, missing days, not being able to be flexible with it. There's going to be a lot of issues there.

Mike: For most people who are taking action but there's so much in flexibility underneath that, and there's all these shitty beliefs and identity underneath it, that it makes it difficult. The action is hard. It's like a grind. There's an organization that I used to participate in that they would say things like, "Don't believe your feelings, just take action." And that was one of the things I had an issue with, with that program. Overall 99 for what they're doing is awesome. But that's one of those things where I'm like mmm. Here's the issue is.

Unsustainable grind

Mike: I have some friends that are pushing that right now and I'm like, "I've known you for three or four years, and you've aged 10." It happens in the entrepreneurial world a lot. So good for you for putting money in the bank or for making an impact at whatever cost but you're killing yourself in the process.

Josh Trent: This is the blend.

Mike: And here's the thing. I'm going to watch and I have watched the wheels come off. They get sick. They have to take real time off. They quit whatever it is they were doing. They can't keep it up. They can't do it. It's not sustainable. So what we really focus on is how do we create sustainability over time with ease. I'm not saying you're not going to have challenge. I've had shifting my identity into something that's much different than what I was before. That comes with challenges. I have to learn a whole lot of new things, but I'm able to take on new shit a lot faster than I used to, and a lot of asking a lot of other people.

Josh Trent: What did you let go of the old identity? It's funny this concept of my new life is going to cost me my old one.

Mike: All of it.

Josh Trent: I've been saying that a lot lately. I posted on social. I'm like it came up with Christine yesterday in the podcast. The new life, the world-class CEO, the founder of Procabulary and Enlifted, the host of Wellness Force, there's something that had to die in order for the new thing to emerge. What died?

Mike: The conversation I've been having with myself is if I really… I have to look at where I came from, and it was much different than what I am now. And I realized that the level of success that I can have and being what I want to be that I'm living into who I am becoming is only limited to what I am willing to give up. And I've recently… I've been pretty good at letting go. My relationship with fear is pretty good. I think I have some natural tendencies in that direction already, and I've developed them. I recently had put everything on the table. I said there is nothing that… I used to have some sacred cows. I had some things like I won't let go of this.

Wellness Force Radio Closing Thoughts

Mike: One of those things has been my marriage. That was something that shifted in my identity that used to be completely off limits. I will change anything. I will shift anything, but not that. And I think a lot… Some people would say, "You've gone too far. But for me that was a deal I made. I had some conversations with myself. I had some conversations with the universe and I said, "Really show me my heart and get really in touch with my heart, and I made an oath to take action on what it is in my heart was telling me."

Mike: And I made an oath that… and I made a promise that every single thing in my life is on the table because I'm 37. My life has been really fucking cool. I've lived more life than almost anybody I know. I've run into people like… Mark is one a few people I'm like, "Yeah, you've lived this much life as me for sure." It's been good. I live a good life. It's beautiful, it's easy. I could just be sitting in the hammock but I'm ready to fucking really get after it. Everything is on the table, and I don't know where it's going.

Josh Trent: That's the beautiful thing, isn't it?

Mike: I have identities I'm living into, but it's never going to stop. I'm going to keep growing. I'm going to keep having fun. I'm going to keep teaching. And I'm of the mindset that's I'm going all the way to the top. Where is the top? I don't fucking know, but I'm going to keep moving. And we'll see. That's going to be a good book.

Josh Trent: That's a great way to cap the show. is everything you just spoke to.

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