In this episode, we get to talk about one of my favorite subjects, which is music, and the impact of music has on us as humans, our consciousness, and I have the pleasure of sitting down with Brady Brewer here. We were at a men's retreat and one of the gifts that a Brady brought to the group was the session he did on this workshop on music. It lasted about an hour and some people stayed longer and more work.
And it was the workshop that I didn't know that I really wanted to do. And then as it was unfolding, I go, “Oh man, this is such a treat.” Brady is also a Strong Coach graduate, so we have been in all sorts of different conversations over time.
Brady’s Relationship with Music
Mike: Brady, tell people what they might learn about music by the end of this show.
Brady: It's been a beautiful journey to hear and I'm super glad to be here. So, what I hope that the audience has by the end of this conversation is the awareness of the music that they're choosing to curate their lives and interact with and how, why, what it means. Ad I hope they walk away with a choice and, how that interaction is impacting their lives – like a choice in how they want to impact their lives with the music that they're listening to.
Mike: I want to dig into it without some things that I'm really interested in as what are some mistakes that people are making when listening to music? What might be driving People deeper into a depression or sadness or, or what might cause them to dwell on things mentally that aren't serving them and all of a sudden music that may be able to pull people into the direction in which they want to go. And then there's healing music and all this. I want to get into all that conversation. And before we do that, can you tell us about yourself personally, like where you come from, why you chose coaching and what happened with the music that cause you to put this much attention on it?
Brady: So as a kid, I moved around a lot as a kid and entering my teenage years my family encountered divorce, radical change, and I was old enough to start listening to music a lot. Whether we were traveling or going through any sort of transition, music became something that now in retrospect, I consider as a very safe space.
Music had my attention and I'm spending time with him a lot as a kid. And then growing up – we get into college, start working out, start going to the bars – you notice how some music pumps you out for the gym. Some music creates a good time; I always think of Sweet Caroline when I'm at the bars. As you grow up, you start to notice the way music is, curating the experience. Then you are old enough to start going to concerts and having these, these big, bigger experiences with ,usic that have a high impact, because there are a very few things that going to see your favorite bands with a group of friends.
I'm from Kansas City, Missouri, and I walked away from a personal training and I entered a corporate gig. And when I got into Strong Coach, one of the questions that I asked myself – am I at coach of the physical body? Or am I a coach of the emotional spiritual body? And the answer was no, and a big yes because of the relationship that I have with music and story work and in a building with music and story work. It required a huge change for me to understand what music was doing and Strong Coach and some of these tools story work tools, what packaged it up back to people.
How Music Influences Your Story
Mike: Can you tell most people what story work means and how story work in music fits together?
Brady: What I considered story work to be is spending time in a journal, writing down my experience or reflecting and then reworking it so that it serves me. And the way that couples with music is – one aspect of the tool that I offer is finding resonance in music. And so, when you're listening to music, it can be a lyric or a sensation at the music provides resonates, it grabs your attention, you turn it up. You add the song to a playlist, you start bob in your head or tapping your foot unconsciously.
That music is music that resonates. And so my invitation is, as I'm talking is take a quick note what music resonates with me because that lyric, that sensation comes with a story. As you right down the lyric, I invite everybody to journal into what that lyric means, what it represents, what it says about you, the listener. And then again, the story work comes when you start to observe and acknowledged what that story is, whether that serve in your life and how it can look different so that it does serve your life.
What can music do to a specific situation?
Mike: What are some examples of music being a disservice to people?
Brady: Let's use the example of a relationship ending that that comes with a lot of sad feelings. And so, music can do one of two things in that situation: That can indulge that sadness, or it can help move you through it. When you get into the indulging of that emotion, that's keeping you where you are and that is not a service. I would go as far as to say that's sacrificing your growth and that is one big example.
Mike: For me, have the sadness. Be with the sadness. But you know, if two to three months down the road, you are still dwelling in it and you're using music to trigger that emotion, there’s an addiction.
And my experience with a lot of people is the ability to hold and stabilize joy and happiness is the most difficult. And we can watch, people were like, Oh, they are experiencing joy. And then immediately their mind starts looking for something to be wrong so they can like, because, there's no way I can be this good
Using Music to Avoid Sadness
Mike: What do you thinking about people that may use music as, maybe I'm trying to avoid sadness. Maybe sadness isn't it something that I'm not comfortable with. Like I used to not be comfortable with sadness. I have to practice being with it. Could you see the possibility of people being sad and then just trying to listen, like the motivational music to get me through my day? Like what, what do you think about,
Brady: That’s a question I've asked a lot of people. Are you using this music to engage in emotion or are you using this music to bypass an emotion? And so there is an element of escapism that music can provide for a while.
Mike: When you're coaching somebody like they feel stuck. And when you start talking about the music, listening to it, how does that go?
Brady: So regardless of what the, what the Coach client relationship is in, whatever it is that they're stuck in, I imagine that is irrelevant. And the reason for that is music is this universal thing that everybody has a relationship with it. I imagine too, that most people don't realize they have a relationship with music. And so when the client is stuck, whatever they're stuck on, what music are they listening to? And the reason that's an important question is because music is something that the thing that's on in the background of our lives more often than not, that reflection again, what music is resonating with you right now, because if you're stuck, this song may contain information about where you are, the story that you're in, the experience that you're having.
And if we can bring that subconscious element of the client's life to the forefront of reality, then we can begin to understand why they're stuck.
Mike: Because a lot of the music of their choosing is unconscious or subconscious. And its also old, I Most people are listening to the same way. I find that when people get to a certain age, it's like they, they just listen to the, like the, the music that they were listening to in their early twenties. The hypnosis that's possible through music a, one of the things I've been starting is a cultural narrative and what sets the cultural narrative.
There are certain artists that don't listen to Because I know that I don't trust them. I don't trust what's going on in their head. I don't trust their heart. I don't trust their actions. But when I see an artist whose when I see it, like there are actions and results that they had in their life and results of their community around them. I go, I can trust this artist. I'm still gonna, I'm still gonna read the lyrics. If I could get into a song, I'm like, Oh, let's, let's look at what I'm programming myself with. What I felt was good for me three years ago may be different than what's good for me today.
Brady: I mean music is, is the way and an ancient cultures, you have music is a, it was a vehicle for their past lives for the stories that, that carried there their experiences in ways of being through from generation to generation and in the modern era to, to piggyback on the mind control aspect of it. You know, I've been reading a lot on music being tuned from 432 Hertz, the frequency of music being tuned from 432 to 440 Hertz. 440 create disharmony within the universe, with everything we are made of.
And that disharmony dis-ease fear, makes people more malleable and earlier I referenced resonance. I offered that resonance comes in the form of tapping your foot. You just mentioned are tapping your foot, being a sub unconscious as a response to music. And what's interesting about that and what came up for me is the distinction between music that is being made for mainstream, for you to be given to the culture and music that if you were to listen to the musician and an in an interview, they say that the music is playing me there are a conduit for what's coming through and there is a huge difference between a musician.
It's making music for mainstream, for money to disseminate information for somebody else. And the musician who is making music, that is coming from their heart. That's coming through them from something bigger than they are. And that's, that's the music that I've always found the most attractive because it carries the most meaning to myself.
The Dangers Of Mainstream Music
Mike: What are some other things that people should be watching out for? What the music you are talking about the dangers of mainstream music.
Brady: It’s checking in or just having the awareness checking with how their feeling and the way they're responding to the music. So is this music again, making me feel particularly sad or depressed or is this music something that is expressing anger and frustration? Is this music something that is making me feel worse about where I am or better about where I am? That is an interesting thing about music is that it, it can also be this thing that expresses your feeling from outside of you, it's expressing for you.
And so I imagine for the person that's listening to say to satanic rap, that music is it is a vehicle to express their relationship with the world for them. And it's so when you were at honestly, when you were exposed to that and you are in a position where you don't have control and you can't leave, I'm imagine the car was, the vehicle was moving. Invite the friend to a, save it for later or I imagine it becomes a very meditative experience where you get to protect your energy and be curious about this, container – what this music is coming from or what it could mean a it's a window into somebody else's experience for sure.